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Start the clock.

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Appreciate it. Thank you very much.

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Thank you, people.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.

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I welcome you.

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All right.

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Thank you so much. I can see it in your
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I know why you're happy today.

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Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are going
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I tell you, that ice doesn't fuck
around, huh?

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It's not that. This was Harry's idea. He
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not speaking to him.

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And I think...

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I may be getting out just in time. I
don't know if you saw this week's big

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news. The national debt now has crossed
$40 trillion, and not in the right

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direction.

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This is the only thing that we do in a
bipartisan way.

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You know, we just spend money we don't
have. Both parties are totally into it.

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It has doubled in 10 years and
quadrupled in the last 20, like Russell

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I love Russell Crowe.

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But remember, don't freak out about the
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Democrats are in power.

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Speaking of that, we have a new attorney
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seen this guy, Todd Blanch? He was on
Meet the Press this week. They asked him

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if he would refuse to make a pledge that
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White House.

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This is sort of the main thing the
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I thought it was also very concerning
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law, he used air quotes.

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Is that just me?

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But let me tell you, the Democratic
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dog, and he's very good at it, Senator
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Okay, he's got fans here.

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He really went after Trump this week,
and in the middle of it, he mentioned

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Natalie Hart. That's the young lady who
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catering cart, she came with him off the
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So this has had all sorts of rumors
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Okay, let me tell you, folks, I got sued
about this once.

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No, not the orangutan.

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No, this was just a couple of years ago.
Laura Loomer sued me.

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Okay, I won, by the way, but... Okay,
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It's expensive and unpleasant to get
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the team on this. You handle it.

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All I'm going to say... Now, Natalie is
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support employee. That's true.

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She travels with him everywhere, and she
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she can print out flattering news
articles. Trump is old school. He wants

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hard copies of the smoke blowing up his
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that's

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on him.

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I don't know why you have to go after
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You know, she seems incredibly devoted
to her job, never takes a day off.

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Sometimes when she works so hard, she
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And now everyone in America is saying
the same thing. Why can't I get a

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millennial who works like that?

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You know, and there is, you know, a
little more to the story. She had

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bone cancer in her 20s. She likes Trump
because he speeded up experimental

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treatments, which she believes helped.

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Helps her. But, you know, in America,
it's just like, oh, good, someone new to

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hate.

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Trump met, did the podcast of Michael
Cohen this week. Remember Michael Cohen,

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his fixer, who once called Trump a
cheater, a liar, a fraud, a bully, a

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racist, a predator, and a con man.

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His own vice president, Vance, once said
he might be America's Hitler.

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His secretary of state, Rubio, at the
debate, made fun of his dick size.

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Let the man have one fucking friend,
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look, the war is not going well. I mean,
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ceasefire. That ended. So for all our
ships in the region, it means battle

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stations for those who haven't already
jumped overboard.

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Some bad reports about what's going on
in those ships, but it doesn't need to

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bother Pete Hegseth. Pete Hegseth, our
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State Fair this week, and he said, we do
training, not traning.

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Well, it went over pretty well with that
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walk out.

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Our whole argument about the Strait of
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international waters, no country can
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Of course. He said, quote, he said, it's
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The Strait of Hormuz is new U.S.
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related, but today it turned green and
the bottom is peeling.

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heard about this, they called on Trump,
and I quote, they said, accept reality

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and defeat and stop indulging in
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Yeah, guys, we tried that.

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That didn't work for us. I don't know if
it's going to work for you.

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But no, Trump says he's not going to do
that. He has a new strategy now.

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Economic strangulation.

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That's where we're going now.

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He's done firing missiles, because we
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He says we're going to destroy their
economy, and I'm with the president on

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this one. If there's one thing I know he
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All right, we've got a great show. We
have Dana Bash and Jeremy Peters.

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Wow, what a panel. But first up, he is a
contemporary American artist, best

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-selling author, and recovery advocate,
Hunter Biden. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Hunter.

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Hello.

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Thanks for doing it. Thanks for being
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All right.

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All right. Hunter Budd.

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All right. Don't be nervous.

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We only have like three minutes.

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We only have like 10 or 12 minutes.

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I'm so sick of all the things that we
get into the weeds with, and I see you

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with another. Your laptop, your
obituary, the third word will be laptop.

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I know everything about the laptop, more
things than I want to know.

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I've seen you with your dick out. I've
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mouth. My question, are you running for
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Exactly. Have you thought about that?
No, I haven't.

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Here's my thing. If I announce for
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and see if I relapsed.

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I don't know if everybody is aware, but
you have

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been completely sober for seven years?

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Yeah, June 1st, 2019.

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How do you like it? I love it. You do?
Yeah, I do. I do. You know, my whole

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reason for being out there as much as I
have been is, at least from my

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perspective, they built this platform to
beat the hell out of me for about a

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seven-year period of time.

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And when the crowd went home, the
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there's 50 million Americans that are
still sick and suffering every day from

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addiction. And I get to go out there and
I get to speak to them. And even if it's

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one person that sends me a message any
day and says, you know, I saw your

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message and I didn't drink today. And
I've done something that I think is

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incredibly worthy. I think

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I would say to you what I said to
Charlie Sheen. You did some bad things,

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but I don't think you're a bad guy.

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Is that fair?

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The thing that has been the most
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last few months is the realization that
my addiction isn't something that

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disconnects me from people and the
experience that I went through.

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And the fact that I had to have it all
play out on a national stage and then,

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you know, I was on the cover of the New
York Post more times than I think anyone

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ever in the history of the paper.

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Right. And the thing about it, though,
is what I realized is that All those

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things that they thought were going to
kill me were the things that people

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identified with. And not necessarily,
you know, crack or, you know, but, and I

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mean, that's like the shocking part,
right? When you say that word, it's kind

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of like, ugh. But everybody, everybody
has a brother who's suffering from

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addiction. Everybody, including
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their life in which they've struggled.

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Not just with addiction, but with grief
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You know, I was speaking about my dad's
health. And, you know, the thing that is

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the most astonishing to me is all of the
things that we all experience, these

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painful things.

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are things that everybody's gone
through, but we never speak about it.

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And nobody ever comes on a show like
this and openly talks about it. Well, I

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don't know about that. This is America.
We talk about it a lot. Well, I don't

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know. Come on, let's be real. We talk
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We talk about grief.

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Yeah. But you know what? I think that we
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in terms of our own personal experience
in which the vivid technicolor pictures

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have been released to the entire world.

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And there's that piece of it. That's
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think a fair person, and there's so few
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likes to, as I was saying about Natalie,
you know, everyone just, oh, good,

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someone to hate now. Someone we can hate
now. I don't know, Bill.

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Here's the thing. Can you imagine if
this 35-year-old staffer that wrote this

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note that has this relationship, and we
were talking about Barack Obama, what

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would be the reaction then?

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Do you think that there wouldn't be a
howl from the right that this is an

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inappropriate relationship? Of course,
because everybody loves to hate. That's

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what I'm saying. Does that make it
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It doesn't make it right. It's on him.

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let's not talk about her. That's not the
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The point I was making is that I think a
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hate would say, You both took advantage
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son of a president and vice president,
and you also were a target in a way that

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a normal person would not have been. Is
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There's a part of that that is fair.

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One of the things that people, I think,
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president, I didn't do any business. I
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And I sold paintings to people that then
had to testify before Congress under

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oath. I made an average of $225,000 a
year. Would you have been working for an

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energy company out of Ukraine?

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Was that really the thing you studied in
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No, you're right. I went to Yale Law
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You got that job because you went up
just a minute. Yeah, 100%. As I've said

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on a million interviews is that, you
know, I'm incredibly privileged.

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I mean, beyond anyone's wildest
imagination, not only because of who my

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dad was, but because of the father that
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And so a lot of privilege comes from
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And I don't deny that in any way. And
also a target on your back.

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Yeah. By the way, and also a target on
your back. And also a resume, though,

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that includes being, you know, I taught
at Georgetown University's master's

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program in the School of Foreign
Service. I served on a dozen boards.

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I went to Yale Law School.

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I worked for Boy Schiller Flexner. When
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the board of the U.S.-U.N. World Food
Program at that time, which serves 70

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million people in 82 different
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organization in the world. I was
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the board of Amtrak for over five years.
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had experience.

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My judgment, however, was absolutely,
completely, ridiculously off. I didn't

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realize the snake pit, and I was naive
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And I gave them something on a silver
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And by the way, let me also say this.

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I did it for the money.

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And that's what other people won't say.
I absolutely 100% did do it because it

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gave me a sense of freedom, particularly
when Beau was diagnosed with cancer. But

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all for me.

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And so 100% all happened when the last
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presidency. None of what happened that
they have created and spun up these

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conspiracies have anything to do with
when my dad was president. And just for

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perspective, I mean, whatever you made,
it's pennies compared to... Don Jr.

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is making, I mean, billions.

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In the last 500

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days of this administration, Don Jr.'s
company has taken in over $3

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.4 billion in Department of Defense
contracts. He got a $640 million loan.

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put through by the White House, the
largest single loan to any private

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company ever given out by the Department
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And that's just a fraction of it. Forget
about what they've done with

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cryptocurrency now, which is a bank in
which they are able to go and launder

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their money. It is an abomination. And
that doesn't even include what Jared is

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doing and Ivanka are doing. He gets paid
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the Saudis alone.

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For a $6.5 billion fund that he
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and he is our unelected, unappointed
emissary to the Middle East for a

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war that nobody asked for. It is absurd.

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It is literally absurd.

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Not nobody.

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Well, that's true.

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Bibi Netanyahu asked for it.

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I mean, your father, your father, among
every other Democrat.

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Excuse me. Every Democrat said Iran
can't have nuclear weapons. And every

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single Democrat and every president said
Jimmy Carter refused what the Israelis

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wanted. Refused what the Israelis wanted
was to bomb Iran.

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Every single one of them. The only
person who fell for it was Donald Trump.

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Yeah, true. Yeah. Okay. So let me ask
you this because you hit on this a

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minute ago.

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You created a tough situation for your
father. Yeah.

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Politics is the roughest game there is.
They will look for any vulnerability,

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any opening. And you kind of gave them
one, like you said, on a silver platter.

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Did you ever apologize to your father?
Every day. Really? You said to him,

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look, I know I gave... From the moment
it started, every day.

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It's one of the greatest heartaches of
my life. I talk about this in terms of

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the...

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The trouble with recovery is this, is I
get to get out here and I talk about how

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I've been healed, how I'm, you know, I'm
stronger than I've ever been. I've taken

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all of this and I'm, you know.

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The people that get the most hurt, for
those of us that survive, those of us,

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the addicts that make it through, the
rare ones that make it through, the real

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harm happened to all of the people
around them.

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And the trauma for them goes very, very
deep. And they don't get to come out on

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this show and talk about how well
they're doing and everything's all

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great. And, you know, I think about my
daughters. I think about every day.

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And the fact that, you know, for a
two-year period of time between 2017 and

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2019, they lost the most important
person in their life and also the other

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most important person, my brother.

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And I was not there for them.

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And I can never make up for that. And
same with my dad.

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My dad is unconditional love, is not
love without consequences.

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It's not a love that doesn't have a
limit.

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It's a love that is limitless in this,
is that no matter what, he would always

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be there for me. But it doesn't make up
for the fact that, you know, every night

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he had to go to sleep when I was in that
state and wonder whether or not I was

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alive just after losing Beau. And, you
know, guilt.

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is an appropriate thing.

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It's absolutely, as the addict, you've
got to go and you've got to make amends

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as much as you can. And sometimes the
greatest amend that you can make is just

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living a life by doing the next right
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That's what I hope I'm doing right now.

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Well, I know your father is

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struggling right now.

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Yeah. Would you tell him, myself and the
audience, wisdom?

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a peaceful rest of his days for us. He's
watching it.

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I'll see you on my podcast, I hope. All
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Hunter Biden, everybody.

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Thank you, Hunter. Let's meet our panel.

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Hey, how are you?

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All right, here's the national
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author of Insurgency, How Republicans
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Wanted, Jeremy Peters.

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Season anchor and chief political
correspondent for CNN, whose forthcoming

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book, The Elections That Changed the
World, is available to pre-order now.

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Donna Bass.

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Hey, how you doing?

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Okay, so it's almost Labor Day. Wow, we
blew through another year. I can't

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believe it. Merry Christmas, because
that's what's coming next.

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They say that people don't pay attention
until Labor Day, right? So let's pay

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attention for them, because we have been
having primaries, right?

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A lot of them. A lot of primaries, and
they do tell us a lot.

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I feel like people are reluctant ever to
say that, oh, Trump is toast, because

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people have said it so many times
before, and it's not been true.

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I think he's toast.

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Because, well,

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I'm just going by.

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The approval rating now is 33%. That's
the floor.

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Well, maybe.

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No, I think it is. I think that is the
people who just absolutely hate

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Democrats. So it really doesn't matter.

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whatever he does.

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It's just that.

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I don't think it ever gets... They used
to be called birchers, then they were

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birthers, their tea party.

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That's the 33%. That's also the
Democratic Party's approval rating, by

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the way. I mean, they're in... As a
party. As a party. And Chuck Schumer's

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approval rating is actually lower than
that. So as a party, they have not

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managed to move up in favorability since
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around. And that's pretty damning.

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Endorsement, though. Yeah.

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Trump used to win all his endorsements.
Now he's winning almost none of them.

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That's right. He lost Wyoming a race
there. Five governorships have not gone

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his way. Two people in Florida, which he
calls his home state.

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The people are kind of over the
corruption.

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That message got through.

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Inflation and gas prices, which is what
they hated Biden for.

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He always got in front of that banner
that said promises kept.

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The war.

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They see that as.

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A promise not kept, I won't get you into
wars. Epstein, they didn't like that.

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I think this election coming up, the
midterm, is a referendum on the

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president. It almost always is. So I
don't think there's any way the

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Democrats can possibly blow this,
although they will try.

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But I feel maybe, I feel like this
election is, no,

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we have to be mad at Trump first.

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And then the Democrats will lose the
2028 president.

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Except I agree with you on everything
you said about the endorsements, because

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I think it's up to 10 or 11 now.

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House endorsements, governor's
endorsements. He did pretty well in some

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races that the Republicans who want to
win are really pissed at him about, like

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in Texas.

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They're really not sure that Ken Paxton
is, I mean.

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It's Texas, so he'll probably win, but
it's not a shoe-in like John Cornyn

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would have been. He's a very hard
right-winger, Ken Paxton, right? And

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he's got some ethical issues, and James
Tallarico is... A young Democrat.

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Christian, and so forth.

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But I will add a... Well. Well, I mean,
he wears his faith on his sleeve in a

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way that he believes will help him.
Well, in the Democratic Party, as long

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as that faith isn't Jewish, you're good.

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Which, well, you said it, but... Yeah, I
said it because it's true.

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I do want to put one more data point
into your thesis there, and that is that

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if you look on the Democratic side, one
thing that happened this week is that

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Alexander Bindman...

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It was a huge surprise.

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Let's remind the audience who isn't
political junkies. So Alexander Vindman

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was in the military, and he went and
testified against...

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President Trump and Trump won because he
heard the phone call between President

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Trump. The perfect call. The perfect
call between President Trump and the

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Ukrainian leader. He's a big hero of the
left. Exactly. He is a part. And he

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lost. And he lost. But he's a part of
the Trump resistance. And another

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pattern that we have seen is people who
have become prominent in the Democratic

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Party as part of the Trump resistance
also losing.

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So it's not just that the president is.

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not doing as well with the people in his
base, he's lost his luster with the

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people who hate him on the left.

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And let's not forget that the
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have a real enthusiasm problem, right? I
mean, a lot of voters are looking at the

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Republicans and Trump and the Democrats
and saying, I'm not thrilled with either

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choice. And so that enthusiasm problem,
even though, Bill, you're right,

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Democrats would really have to screw
something up to lose in this midterm

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election. It's really not clear how well
they will do even if they have a

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majority because the Democrats in the
House that I talk to are really worried

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that if they don't pick up a dozen
seats, they're going to be beholden to

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the new squad and this handful of
Democratic socialists who will

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essentially have veto power over the
entire Democratic establishment agenda.

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That's a big concern.

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Will they?

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They will.

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If it's a slim majority, just like
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Party and a little bit less so now, if
it's a slim majority, minority rules

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within the party.

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And so if you have, let's say, I mean,
you had four members of the squad and

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then it was growing. Let's say you have
10 people who are absolutely, I'm not

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going to do anything unless you pass
Medicare for all, just for example.

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Hakeem Jeffries, if he doesn't have a
majority more than 10 people, he's

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screwed. Almost like a parliamentary
government where you bring in, like in

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Israel. And the government only exists
because they had to bring in like four

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or five members of the far, far, far
right wing party. And they do control in

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a lot of ways what goes on in that
government. Yeah, they absolutely do.

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And they're not running to be members of
the Democratic Party. They're running

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many of them anyway, as democratic
socialists. It's a totally different

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political organization.

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And in fact, they want to take out the
Democratic Party. I mean, it's their

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stated goal. They not only want to take
out the Democratic Party, they want to

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take out the entire constitutional.

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system that the Democratic Party is
allowed to participate in government.

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And they like communism.

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I proved it here a couple of weeks ago
just by quoting them. They use the word

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a lot. They're not actually trying to
hide it, although if you ask them, they

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will deny it. Yeah.

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It's so interesting.

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They will. But some of them, I mean,
this is why El-Said did quite well in

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Michigan. This is why the woman who is
running against Karen Bass as mayor of L

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.A. is doing quite well because they've
learned how to sand down the rougher

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edges and they don't talk about
socialism. They don't talk about seizing

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the means of production and stuff like
that.

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They're getting many of them. Some of
them are not quite ready for prime time,

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let's be clear. But a lot of them have
really done a good job of selling

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themselves to the public as quite
reasonable mainstream politicians.

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And that's how.

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Angie Nixon, who beat Alexander Vindman
in Florida this week. Okay, so explain

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who that is. She is a Democratic
Socialist who raised like not even a

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million dollars. That's right. And he
raised about $16 million.

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So I'm not a mathematician, but I think
that's like 16 to 1. And she crushed

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him. In Florida. In Florida.

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Which is a red state now. Yes. But this
is, of course, the Democratic primary.

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It's a Democratic primary. And a lot of
people will say. But she did it by,

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she's a Democratic socialist, but she
did it by really narrowing down her

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message about.

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about money, about trying to, you know,
live the American dream in a way that...

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But again, this is a race within the
Democratic Party. Correct. So when she

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runs in the general against the
Republican for governor... It's going to

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be very hard. Right. Very hard. She's
going to run against Ashley Moody, who's

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the sitting Republican senator, and
it...

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I mean, I don't want to say impossible,
but if there is an impossible race, that

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could be it. So what do you think of
this new star, John Ossoff, I mentioned

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in the monologue? I mean, we've
mentioned him before. He's been there

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for a couple of years in Georgia.

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He's kind of Obama-esque when he speaks.
And he really lit into Trump in a way

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that people seem to be certainly on the
left.

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thirsting for.

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And the problem is he's Jewish.

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I mean, I know we don't want to talk
about that, but we need to talk about

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that because that is the situation in
the Democratic Party.

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They think Gaza is a genocide.

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It is not. There's an actual meaning to
the word genocide. It doesn't come

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close. But as long as you tag that name,
genocide, of course.

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What kind of normal person would not
hate someone who's responsible for a

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genocide? And they've all just signed on
to this because they're just big on

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buzzwords and long signs and bumper
stickers.

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That's as deep as they go. And likes on
their social media. And like.

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So they... You have to say it.

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There was a...

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Congressman Scott Wiener, he's, I think,
going to take Nancy Pelosi's seat in San

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Francisco. And he wasn't paying
genocide.

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And they surrounded him, a mob, and
yelled at him and said, you're not gay.

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He's gay.

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They're not really gay. What the fuck
does that have to do with genocide?

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Say it. And he did. Because the
Democrats are cowards. What a coward.

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This is factual. Do you know the only
country in the Middle East that has gay

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rights? Of course. Yes, that's why the
people with the Queers for Palestine t

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-shirts are so out of their mind. Can I
say one thing about the Jews? Because I

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actually, earlier this summer, I
interviewed Josh Shapiro, governor of

444
00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:49,330
Pennsylvania,

445
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:55,790
running for re-election, but also very
much in the conversation about 2028.

446
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:59,230
And I asked him this question point
blank. Do you really think that a

447
00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:04,760
Jewish... politician can win a
Democratic primary for president in this

448
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,320
environment for Jews.

449
00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:13,640
And he gave an answer about how he's
been talking about his faith a lot. He

450
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,640
doesn't hide from it.

451
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:16,700
Pennsylvania is a purple state.

452
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,820
He's very popular in Pennsylvania.

453
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,260
And, you know, I thought a lot about it.
We'll see. But the other thing that I

454
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:29,050
thought about, Bill, is that even Or
maybe despite this climate, you have

455
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:31,230
Josh Shapiro, John Ossoff.

456
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:35,380
J.B. Pritzker, Rahm Emanuel. I don't
remember a time where there were more

457
00:29:35,380 --> 00:29:39,900
Jews who were even thinking openly about
running for president in the Democratic

458
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:43,000
primary. We'll see what happens when
they get asked about Israel.

459
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:48,080
Bill has a good point that they twist
themselves into knots over it because

460
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:54,420
the activist left has done such a good
job of making this a third rail. Like,

461
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:57,600
you know, you have to buy into the
rhetoric, just like you used to have to

462
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,500
say, I want to defund the police or I
want. It's a litmus test. Yes, exactly.

463
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:07,440
And as often the case, and this is
something I think Democratic strategists

464
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,360
worry about privately, is the absolutist
nature of some of the activism rhetoric

465
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,840
on the left is a real problem because
they're always trying to explain it.

466
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:23,920
away, right? Well, we don't really mean
to defund the police. Well, we don't

467
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,800
really mean that Donald Trump is a king.

468
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,940
Or they're using kind of jargony
language like, let's, you know, stop the

469
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:35,100
oligarchy or, you know, whatever that
tour is. And ordinary people don't know

470
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:38,020
what that means. They don't. It just.

471
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:41,490
It doesn't resonate with them. Or care.
Or care, right?

472
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:48,230
And unless Democrats learn how to talk
to voters in a way that is more

473
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:53,870
to their hearts rather than to their
heads and to a political dictionary that

474
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:57,410
you need to translate what they're
saying, this will be a difficult year.

475
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:59,030
But I think back to what you...

476
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,060
What you said about John Ossoff, that is
one of the main reasons why he's taking

477
00:31:04,060 --> 00:31:09,220
off. I watched that whole speech that he
gave last Sunday, and it wasn't just the

478
00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:12,000
line that everybody's talking about,
about Natalie.

479
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:18,540
The whole way that he wove in the heart
and the soul of

480
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:23,600
fighting for affordability but also
fighting against Donald Trump was

481
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,000
incredibly unique.

482
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:28,470
Again, these issues like corruption.

483
00:31:28,690 --> 00:31:33,510
I mean, the world financial, is that
Trump's crypto?

484
00:31:33,990 --> 00:31:40,010
He's got his own crypto company. And I
see today, now they're letting them have

485
00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:41,010
a bank.

486
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:45,790
It's very close to just backing a truck
up to Fort Knox.

487
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:48,030
And people get that.

488
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,160
You know, it's like we're struggling.
You said you were going to stop our

489
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,800
struggling. You said gas prices and
inflation were going to go down. They're

490
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,980
not. But you guys are making out great.

491
00:31:57,500 --> 00:31:58,500
All right.

492
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,060
It is back to school time.

493
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,660
So that includes college. And for some
reason, college includes Arizona State.

494
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:07,160
I've never understood that.

495
00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:17,830
They are in the news because they have a
Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and

496
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:18,830
Mass Communication.

497
00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:21,390
Guess what the new curriculum is about?

498
00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:24,270
You're going to be able to get a course
in influencing.

499
00:32:26,030 --> 00:32:28,730
I wish I was just making this up.

500
00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:33,650
You can literally get a BS in BS now.
Would you like to hear?

501
00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:36,950
Would you like to hear?

502
00:32:40,780 --> 00:32:41,780
a hold of the syllabus.

503
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,200
Would you like to hear some in the
course? I'm sure you would.

504
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,880
For example, there's intro to
influencing.

505
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,660
Duck lips, peace signs, and you.

506
00:32:51,660 --> 00:32:53,980
You need that intro course.

507
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Of course.

508
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:59,740
Strategies in making a toilet seat look
like a private jet.

509
00:32:59,980 --> 00:33:00,980
Oh, yeah.

510
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:06,740
Biology 301.

511
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,580
Diagnosing yourself with something you
googled this morning.

512
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,620
Math 101, why you don't need it.

513
00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:26,540
Camera phone mechanics, how to make your
tits the focus of whatever you're

514
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:27,540
yammering about.

515
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,160
Unboxing 101, losing your shit over new
material goods in an age of socialism.

516
00:33:45,550 --> 00:33:49,050
Intro to public speaking. Tips on
shaming people in public who aren't

517
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:50,110
really even doing anything.

518
00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:59,990
Career development. Explaining to your
grandparents what exactly it is you do.

519
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:07,770
And senior seminar.

520
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:10,469
When to call it quits and transition to
OnlyFans.

521
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,800
Let's talk about higher education, shall
we? Because this is not the only story

522
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,940
in the news. Quite a few.

523
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,639
University of Michigan?

524
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,560
Mm-hmm, where I went, yes. That's where
you went. I did, yeah. Okay. I wish I

525
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,060
wouldn't have had grades. I would have
had grades. Right.

526
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:37,820
They're going to no grades now. And the
reason given? Just as freshmen or for

527
00:34:37,820 --> 00:34:38,820
the whole thing?

528
00:34:39,139 --> 00:34:40,460
I'm not sure about that.

529
00:34:41,139 --> 00:34:42,699
It doesn't matter.

530
00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:46,969
It's ridiculous. And they're saying it
because sometimes the kid gets a bad

531
00:34:46,969 --> 00:34:48,630
grade and it makes them sad.

532
00:34:49,070 --> 00:34:51,270
I can't. I'm not making that up.

533
00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:56,250
I mean, no grades. And what does that
school cost? It's not cheap, right? It's

534
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:58,330
not cheap. I can tell you what it was 25
years ago.

535
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:04,250
No, but look, this is part of the
coddling of the American mind effect

536
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:08,750
that we've been reading about and
scholars smarter than I am have been

537
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:10,710
writing about for 15 years.

538
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:18,170
I don't see how when you have a student
age population that is already losing

539
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:24,790
its jobs, losing what they trained for
to AI, and how they're

540
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:29,290
basically as a generation having to face
what a future looks like on a planet

541
00:35:29,290 --> 00:35:34,870
that is so hot and so inhospitable that
it's rejecting human life. I mean, yeah,

542
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:36,530
it's not a great outlook.

543
00:35:36,890 --> 00:35:38,010
I grew up, I'm Gen X.

544
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:43,300
So I grew up basically feral, like the
rest of our generation.

545
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,380
I'm a boomer. You think you're feral.

546
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:49,160
Yeah, I mean, and so, yeah. At least you
got out of the dump, yes.

547
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,260
I mean, literally. So the idea that we
can't, I mean, look, I understand there

548
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:58,540
are very real mental health challenges
that people, not just kids, but people

549
00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:02,660
have for many, many reasons, including
their phones, and there's a cultural

550
00:36:02,660 --> 00:36:04,300
issue. But, like, come on.

551
00:36:05,950 --> 00:36:11,230
I mean, I know Trump University is a
scam, but when there's no grades, isn't

552
00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:12,230
that a scam, too?

553
00:36:12,370 --> 00:36:19,210
I mean... Well, it... I mean, what... It
goes to the question

554
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:22,750
of what college is, what a four-year
degree is really training kids for.

555
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:26,530
Well, let me answer that. Now, this
is... Nothing.

556
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:28,970
This is the second. This is even
scarier.

557
00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:33,810
AI, which in the old days, like two
years ago...

558
00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:38,610
Was writing the papers and sometimes
grading them.

559
00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:42,830
Now it can take the course all by
itself.

560
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:48,350
This AI taking college courses, this is
from your paper, with simple commands

561
00:36:48,350 --> 00:36:51,050
like log in and complete my quiz.

562
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:59,510
It can lecture, watch lecture videos,
take tests, write papers, and chat with

563
00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:01,190
classmates about reading assignments.

564
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,920
Students may never meet with their
professors or their peers.

565
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,360
What's the point? What the fuck?

566
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,020
Let me just take a little bit of an
unorthodox approach here and defend the

567
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:19,860
kids because I don't actually think that
all of this is their fault. They've been

568
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:25,280
told by CEOs from AI companies that this
technology is going to replace them. So

569
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,940
to a certain degree, it seems like a lot
of them, by adapting to this technology

570
00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:32,860
and having it do everything for them,
are basically saying, all right, let's

571
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:33,860
get on with it.

572
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,580
time what they could be doing with this
what like how dana uses ai how i try to

573
00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:44,900
use ai how i'm sure you do is to make
your make yourself better at the job

574
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,140
that you're doing more efficient i don't
use it what they're doing i don't want

575
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:54,420
it at all nothing i don't want it in my
phone the second i the second people

576
00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:58,860
started having it and telling me what it
did and and oh it It knows everything

577
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:01,880
about you. It's in your phone. It sees
every one of your pictures. It knows

578
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,140
every text you ever send. You think I
want that in my fucking phone?

579
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,560
You people are crazy if you're doing
this. You're crazy.

580
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,760
And it can't do my job.

581
00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:15,260
That is for sure.

582
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,060
What people have told... I hope.

583
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,480
Thank you.

584
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:27,410
What the heads of these AI companies
have been all too eager to tell us is

585
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:31,350
that this technology is going to replace
us, that it will do everything that you

586
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:32,350
used to do.

587
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Really, it's not going to do that. It's
never going to replace human beings.

588
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,180
It's going to make our jobs easier and
in some ways make workers more

589
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:45,060
efficient. So people should really, you
know, if you're teaching students how to

590
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:49,160
use this as a way to not do their work
instead of using it as a way to improve

591
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:55,700
their work, it's just not going to ever
be a tool that they learn how to use

592
00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:00,020
appropriately. But I think one of the,
if there is a benefit from AI, I think

593
00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:01,720
it is if you think about it.

594
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,400
it is a reminder of why human
interaction is so important. Like, I

595
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,240
mean, just even here, this is not, you
can't have this as an AI experience.

596
00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:14,140
There are real human beings here
watching a...

597
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,700
I understand that there are some reasons
why students want to go online, but it

598
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:30,440
is also a reminder of how great it is to
have a human interaction with fellow

599
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,420
students in a classroom, with a
professor.

600
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:37,520
There are things that you just can't
learn or even pretend to learn if you're

601
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,060
dealing with AI without that human
interaction.

602
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,680
I take your point. It's not all their
fault. But it's also, I've said this

603
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,000
before when we talked about AI, it is
also their place to stop it.

604
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:51,420
They're the younger generation. When
they want to protest against something,

605
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,400
they're not shy about it. Right. Okay?
So they're using it. If AI can do the

606
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,680
job of going to school for you
completely, why wouldn't it be able to

607
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,600
do the job you were going to get trained
for in school?

608
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:11,440
So you're building your own gallows.
It's up to that generation to stand

609
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,000
across history and say, stop.

610
00:40:15,860 --> 00:40:17,860
I don't think you can look.

611
00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:23,360
to the Silicon Valley companies for any
type of moral leadership on this issue.

612
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:26,380
I mean, and that's a big, you know, when
you talk to the heads of these

613
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:30,600
companies, which you and I have both
done as part of our jobs, what's

614
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,440
striking is how often they liken their
work to a humanitarian cause, to saving

615
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,880
civilization. I'm not kidding. They
really see it this way. And if this

616
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,040
doesn't sound too much like Facebook as,
you know, the promoter of democracy and

617
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,540
free speech in the town square that was
going to be good for us all, then...

618
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:51,150
You know, I think you should take
another look at how you're reading this.

619
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:57,570
And you also talked about something I
think you and I both agree on, that this

620
00:40:57,570 --> 00:41:01,930
is not just the beginning, I mean, the
end of the rot in higher education. It

621
00:41:01,930 --> 00:41:06,110
started long ago when they stopped
teaching people things because they

622
00:41:06,110 --> 00:41:08,090
became indoctrination centers.

623
00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:13,250
Two stories from this week, I think,
will show you that this has now infected

624
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:14,430
our political discourse.

625
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:16,670
Megan Romer, she is the...

626
00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:23,010
co-chair of the dsa she was on david
remnick's podcast and she talked about

627
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:27,690
taxing the hell out of them and he said
um what do you mean by that and she said

628
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:32,390
uh well you know i don't really have a
solid and then just dribbled off yeah

629
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:36,530
and he said but shouldn't you shouldn't
you be more specific about what taxing

630
00:41:36,530 --> 00:41:42,310
the hell means they don't know anything
okay okay then lindsey graham's sister

631
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:45,550
was running and is now running in south
carolina

632
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,640
She was asked about Taiwan, and she
said, I'm not that informed on national

633
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,340
security. Well, you're running for the
Senate.

634
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:57,160
That's not an answer that is acceptable.
I'm not that informed.

635
00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:01,200
I guess my question is, does it matter
that people don't know anything?

636
00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:02,540
Yes.

637
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,500
I'm so glad to hear that.

638
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:06,600
I'm so glad to hear that.

639
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:13,400
One word answer, yes, it matters a lot.
It matters a lot. But I will say that...

640
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:19,460
That interview that David Remnick did
with the DSA chair is something that

641
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:24,100
everybody should watch as hopefully an
antidote to what you just said.

642
00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:31,060
This is like real life. This isn't just
a string of slogans put together.

643
00:42:32,410 --> 00:42:37,110
actual policy that when you get to a
place where you're running for elected

644
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:40,790
office, or if you actually are
successful in elected office, you got to

645
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:41,488
know stuff.

646
00:42:41,490 --> 00:42:44,850
Yeah. And by the way, there's been a
slew of interviews just like this, where

647
00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:49,330
candidates who represent the Democratic
Socialists of America have really

648
00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:54,590
struggled to articulate how they don't
subscribe to communism, whether or not

649
00:42:54,590 --> 00:43:00,210
they really believe in Marxism, and
basic facts about how their ideology

650
00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:05,240
would help them govern the United States
out of this affordability crisis.

651
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Look, a lot of these people are really
talented politically.

652
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,960
I think, you know, Mamdani is a
generational political talent. He's out

653
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,560
of the Democratic Socialists of America.

654
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:19,760
This is Saeed Al-Saeed in Michigan is
also very talented. He's not a

655
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,480
Democratic Socialist, although they do
claim him as one of their own.

656
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,220
But by and large, a lot of these
candidates come out of the activist wing

657
00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:32,460
of the party. They're very academic.
They're very into reading Karl Marx and

658
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:33,800
left-wing theory.

659
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,820
And we've seen time and time again that
a lot of them just don't withstand the

660
00:43:38,820 --> 00:43:39,820
scrutiny.

661
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:44,660
There was a story, I mean... If you're
going to talk about academics this week,

662
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,080
I just have to bring this up, this Jason
Arday story. He's a professor. Very sad.

663
00:43:48,380 --> 00:43:53,260
Very sad. It was a suicide. I mean, a
week ago, it was not that story.

664
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,080
He was the first black professor at
Cambridge, I think? Yes. Young. And the

665
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,380
youngest. The youngest.

666
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,320
Okay, whenever I hear a story like this,
first of all, I don't believe anything.

667
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,640
I don't believe anything anybody says.

668
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:09,560
Right. I have to read two or three more
articles, do a deep dive. But the first

669
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,080
story was, okay, this guy.

670
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:15,630
was just wanted by the left to be what
they wanted him to be, which was the

671
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:18,030
first hero professor, black professor.

672
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:22,210
But really, he was guilty of plagiarism
and all sorts of incredible lies.

673
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:28,570
They're so captivated by DEI and wanting
this, they just let him pass. And I

674
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:31,450
said, well, I'm going to check this out.
No, that's exactly what happened.

675
00:44:31,810 --> 00:44:34,110
It's the soft bigotry of low
expectations. And it's not just that

676
00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:35,109
they let him pass.

677
00:44:35,110 --> 00:44:40,130
It's that they ignored the glaring red
flags, like grammatical errors in his

678
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:43,990
thesis and things in his backstory that
just didn't add up, like running 30

679
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:45,590
marathons in 35 days.

680
00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:51,970
And to me, Cambridge has a lot of
explaining to do about how they seem to

681
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:56,740
have really... cynically used this
person who was obviously struggling with

682
00:44:56,740 --> 00:45:00,760
mental illness to further their own
diversity and inclusion goals.

683
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:07,100
He didn't learn to speak until he was
18, right? He said he was autistic.

684
00:45:07,420 --> 00:45:10,980
He said a number of diseases, he said.

685
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,660
He was, where was...

686
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:19,550
Oh, I can't find it, but he was just
crazy. Oh, he's got testicular cancer,

687
00:45:19,830 --> 00:45:24,210
brain tumor, epilepsy, locked-in
syndrome. I don't know what that is. He

688
00:45:24,210 --> 00:45:26,710
said he ran the marathons with a broken
leg.

689
00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:34,790
He said he was mute until age 11 and
illiterate until 18 and then became the

690
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:35,709
greatest professor.

691
00:45:35,710 --> 00:45:41,550
I mean, it's like a prank. Like, can we
make liberals who want to believe this

692
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:43,290
actually do it? And they did.

693
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:47,160
And it's not much more complicated than
that. White people are crazy.

694
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:58,680
And to back that up, what is sad and
tragic is, as you said, perhaps

695
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Cambridge let him down. But once this
got out and the investigation began,

696
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,660
then the mob went after him.

697
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:11,500
And it was, you know, in the UK, the
press are tough, to say the least.

698
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:16,730
and kind of what you were talking about
before about sort of the hate mob.

699
00:46:17,130 --> 00:46:21,630
And that's what happened to him. Now, if
he had underlying, I mean, obviously he

700
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:25,670
had underlying mental health issues. He
took his own life. But it's those two

701
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:30,010
things combined that is such a
cautionary tale of where we are right

702
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:31,310
now societally and culturally.

703
00:46:31,530 --> 00:46:33,910
The system played a huge role in his
death.

704
00:46:34,110 --> 00:46:39,090
And if Cambridge is doing an honest
examination of this, they could address

705
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:42,120
that. All right. Thank you, guys. Time
for New Rule.

706
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:44,860
Okay.

707
00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:49,680
All right.

708
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,860
New Rule. Everyone in the media is
having a good time mocking Kaia Gerber

709
00:46:55,860 --> 00:47:00,660
for revealing that when she was a child,
she had an exorcism performed on her

710
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:01,900
with a dirigidue.

711
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,760
Is missing the point.

712
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,080
It works.

713
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:16,160
Because when some hippie starts playing
the dirigidoo, even evil spirits say,

714
00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:17,380
let's get the fuck out of here.

715
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,860
Neuro drug companies have to make at
least one ad for prescription medication

716
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:29,600
where no one becomes a DJ.

717
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:40,840
Or at least list it as a possible side
effect.

718
00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:45,180
Stop using scarizzi if you're a white
man in your 40s and you experience the

719
00:47:45,180 --> 00:47:47,340
uncontrollable urge to drop sick beats.

720
00:47:54,620 --> 00:48:00,560
Now that researchers have proven that
dogs can tell if people are happy or sad

721
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:06,040
by reading our faces, they must teach
dogs to do that with legs.

722
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:18,530
They always seem to read as asking for
it.

723
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:24,250
New Rule, don't be surprised that
Michael Jackson's daughter, Paris, says

724
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:27,790
he would make her finish her homework
before he'd let her go outside and play.

725
00:48:27,970 --> 00:48:31,350
That was Michael's way. He was always
very hard with kids.

726
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:43,650
New Rule, now that Air France...

727
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:49,700
decided to close the sauna area in its
Paris lounge because passengers were

728
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:51,660
using it for inappropriate activity.

729
00:48:55,540 --> 00:48:58,600
I have to ask, what happened to you,
France?

730
00:49:02,580 --> 00:49:08,880
You gave the world inappropriate

731
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,880
activity.

732
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,000
The French kiss.

733
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:13,620
The topless beach.

734
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,300
Lingerie. The menage a trois.

735
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:21,940
That thing where husbands and wives
don't ask each other where they were

736
00:49:21,940 --> 00:49:22,940
from five to seven.

737
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,900
And now you're Utah with croissants?

738
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:33,320
I'm sorry, but if two, possibly three,
consenting adults can't do it between

739
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,200
connecting flights in the airport, then
maybe Tucker Carlson is right. Why did

740
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,600
we even defeat the Nazis?

741
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,240
New rule, free the workplace romance.

742
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:53,820
Let's go back to letting love
connections happen at the office. It's

743
00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:58,160
funny, all I hear about these days is
the loneliness epidemic and how nobody

744
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,240
socializes anymore and Gen Z isn't
dating, Gen Z isn't fucking.

745
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:04,620
Here's a crazy idea.

746
00:50:04,820 --> 00:50:09,580
Stop being overly paranoid about power
imbalances in one of the last places

747
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:14,260
humans actually interact anymore and let
people fuck at work.

748
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,480
I don't mean literally have sex in the
supply closet, but flirt, acknowledge

749
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,660
mutual attraction, and maybe get into a
relationship.

750
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:32,700
And then have sex in the supply closet.

751
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:42,480
But that's not really where we are,
because America

752
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,540
always overreacts, usually on the side
of too much safety.

753
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:49,100
We did it with overprotecting our
children.

754
00:50:49,540 --> 00:50:50,760
We did it with drugs.

755
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,880
Because some people get addicted. For
decades, no one was allowed to even

756
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,960
smoke pot legally.

757
00:50:56,620 --> 00:50:57,760
And we do it with sex.

758
00:50:58,140 --> 00:51:02,260
In Congress, they already have a rule
that says you can't date anyone in your

759
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:06,580
own office. And now, they're considering
one supported by Speaker Mike Johnson

760
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:10,480
that would ban members from dating any
staffer from any office.

761
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:14,720
Because telling people who they're
allowed to love is repulsive when the

762
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,020
Bible does it. But it's okay when it's a
weirdo like Mike Johnson.

763
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:30,800
Mike Johnson, who has an app on his
phone called Covenant Eyes, which scans

764
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,920
everything you open and reports any porn
use to a sponsor, which in this case is

765
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,920
his son.

766
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,960
Ew.

767
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:43,620
But, you know, Mike is not the only one
who supports this. It's bipartisan.

768
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:45,380
AOC agrees.

769
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:49,620
Yeah. She says no one who works on
Capitol Hill should ever date anybody

770
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:51,880
else who works on Capitol Hill.

771
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:56,070
Okay, but where else are they supposed
to meet? It's where they spend all their

772
00:51:56,070 --> 00:52:02,970
time. They run home to get four hours of
sleep, eat a toaster strudel, and run

773
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:07,010
back to the office to write the actual
bills that their bosses, the elected

774
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:08,650
representatives, don't even read.

775
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:12,750
But AOC says there are a lot of fish in
the sea.

776
00:52:13,070 --> 00:52:17,250
If someone is seeking a part, we don't
need to necessarily do that here.

777
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,860
Uh, no, you don't have to, but maybe if
you did, your eggs wouldn't be in a

778
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:23,180
freezer on 14th Street.

779
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:34,440
Please, I'm all for it.

780
00:52:34,750 --> 00:52:38,510
freezing eggs, or whatever you want to
do that's consensual. And that's the

781
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:43,930
point. Stop punishing all the people who
want a consensual relationship because

782
00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:49,790
offices contain some male creep, as does
everywhere in life. The question is, is

783
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:53,830
it the smart thing to throw out the
baby-making with the bathwater?

784
00:52:56,030 --> 00:53:02,670
And... According to a recent article in

785
00:53:02,670 --> 00:53:08,550
Inc., called Gen Zers and millennials
want workplace romance normalized even

786
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:09,790
if it breaks company rules.

787
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:11,570
No, it's not.

788
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:16,130
Because here's the thing. While there
are plenty of fish in the sea, there

789
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:17,330
aren't a lot of seas.

790
00:53:18,930 --> 00:53:21,050
That is, not a lot of places to meet
fish.

791
00:53:22,650 --> 00:53:26,610
The workplace is where most people have
always done it. It's where most married

792
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:27,870
couples caught their fish.

793
00:53:33,870 --> 00:53:38,890
Forbes did a study and found 43% of
workplace romances ended in marriage.

794
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:44,050
The other 57% ended on the jumbotron at
a Coldplay concert.

795
00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:56,390
Is the workplace the perfect place

796
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:57,328
to be? No.

797
00:53:57,330 --> 00:53:58,470
But what's better?

798
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:59,790
Dating app?

799
00:54:00,350 --> 00:54:04,870
Bars? which are now places where people
go out and yet somehow are still on

800
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:05,870
their phones.

801
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:12,510
Of course, no woman in an office wants
the guy in the next cubicle giving

802
00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:17,590
unsolicited back rubs or making comments
about her appearance, unless he's cute,

803
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:19,110
and then it's, why is he ignoring me?

804
00:54:21,370 --> 00:54:27,230
But that stuff is already, if not
outright illegal, very frowned upon.

805
00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:28,650
This is 2026.

806
00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:31,780
Every company has an HR department now.

807
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:37,280
When a true predator like Eric Swalwell
was finally exposed, people said, what

808
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,280
took so long?

809
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,400
Well, what took so long is nobody
reported it for a long time.

810
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:48,720
Now, does it take guts to do that? Sure,
yes. But call me a radical feminist, I

811
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:54,680
think women in 2026 are capable of guts
and of handling most clumsy overtures

812
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,400
without an act from Congress.

813
00:55:00,170 --> 00:55:05,490
There is a congressman from North
Carolina, Chuck Edwards, Republican,

814
00:55:05,810 --> 00:55:09,830
Christian, married to the same woman for
40 years. Not really my jam.

815
00:55:14,910 --> 00:55:19,050
But I also don't think he should have
been forced out of his race, which he

816
00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:21,810
was, for what he did, which wasn't much.

817
00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:27,450
A bipartisan House Ethics Committee did
a full investigation and found zero

818
00:55:27,450 --> 00:55:29,070
evidence of sexual activity.

819
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:32,350
physical contact, or lewd propositions.

820
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:36,530
No, what Chuck did was buy the women in
his office gifts.

821
00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:42,670
A lot of them. He bought shoes, jewelry,
purses, cell phones, laptops, massages,

822
00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:44,630
kitchen appliances, spa treatments.

823
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:46,290
You know, a real monster.

824
00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:50,830
One time.

825
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:56,660
One time, after a staffer had a bad
breakup, Congressman Edwards paid for

826
00:55:56,660 --> 00:55:59,280
her and a friend to go to New York and
see Hamilton.

827
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,920
Without him on the trip.

828
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:07,780
The only thing this guy couldn't keep in
his pants was his credit card.

829
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,180
There's a song in Hamilton called The
Room Where It Happens, and this tragic

830
00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:23,600
castrato literally couldn't get in the
room where it happens.

831
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:30,480
A room he paid for, which explains his
campaign slogan, I still believe in a

832
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:31,900
place called the friend zone.

833
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:43,140
I tell you, thank goodness we stopped
this sick, demented fuck before he sends

834
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:45,080
another poor, defenseless woman on a
spa.

835
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:46,310
weekend.

836
00:56:48,430 --> 00:56:54,810
This maniac even once arranged for a
singer at a

837
00:56:54,810 --> 00:56:59,670
staffer's birthday party, and this was
so traumatic that one staffer confided

838
00:56:59,670 --> 00:57:01,750
in a friend that she was low-key scared.

839
00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:08,490
The congressional panel also found some
women were uncomfortable with the gift.

840
00:57:09,350 --> 00:57:11,850
Yeah, but not so uncomfortable they
didn't take them.

841
00:57:19,310 --> 00:57:24,210
Maybe let's all try a little more
romance and a little less hypocrisy. You

842
00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:28,250
know, we hate it when people have sex in
the office, but you know what TV show we

843
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:29,570
love? The Office.

844
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:39,170
The most popular sitcom of all time,
reproduced all over the world, and the

845
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:42,250
entire show is an HR department's worst
nightmare.

846
00:57:43,290 --> 00:57:47,310
Everybody is either fucking or trying to
fuck everybody else, and it doesn't make

847
00:57:47,310 --> 00:57:48,710
anybody low-key scared.

848
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:55,410
Jim and Pam, Jim and Karen, Michael and
Jan, Michael and Holly, Aaron and Gabe,

849
00:57:55,550 --> 00:57:59,250
Aaron and Andy, Aaron and Pete, Ryan and
Kelly, Angela and Andy, Angela and

850
00:57:59,250 --> 00:58:00,250
Dwight.

851
00:58:00,330 --> 00:58:03,650
There was less incestuous fucking in
Fleetwood Mac.

852
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:09,230
All right, that's our show. I want to
thank Jeremy Peters, Dan Abash, and

853
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:11,810
Hunter Biden. Club Random drops every
Monday on YouTube.

854
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:16,680
or listen where you get your podcasts,
or go watch Overtime on YouTube. Thank

855
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,060
you very much, ladies and gentlemen.

856
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,560
Thank you.

